Saturday, August 9, 2008

Forum on Conversion to Islam forcibly stopped by illegal Demonstration : "Illegal Demo" Thats What They Called Hindraf Gathering ;)

Forum of Islam conversion forcibly stopped by religious extremist. Well congrats to 500 people who protested at the bar council. I am impressed that they even determine to break in, to stop the forum ( Malaysiakini reported).

And nobody arrested, wow finally they allowed Malaysian or to be precise Malai people to practice rights to gather peacefully (Wondering if they ever applied for police permit). But I am not sure whether things like threatening to break in to a building forcefully can be consider as peaceful act.


Next time if there is any ‘body snatching’ let us do demonstration just like them. If they refuse to release the body we break in to the hospital and try to take the body even though we knew that we wont make it because we all made by different God, we have to bear whacks, end up in lock-up and if women, will be locked with unknown men. We also will be named as an extremis, terrorist and worst ‘keling pariah’, ‘babi’ and called to go back India, china.


Supreme race, the high class race and the specially engineered and designed race by God can do anything. We black skin can not even ask for basic rights, just because we are created by different God who is not as skill full as God who created the special race.


Opsss sorry! Did I say special race…no no….so called special race. Self named.


In Malaysia there is no freedom of religion for non-muslim.


Warning! Warning!

Non-muslims of Malaysia just be prepared as you will be selected randomly to be buried as muslim. Nobody can ask why. Your freedom to embrace religion of your choice is not your choice but Islamic authority’s choice. If they say you are Islam means, you are. All this simply because we are made of India’s and China’s God, not theirs.


Just sit and pray to our God so that the ill faith will not fall on us….or


Stand up and Fight for our rights!!! It’s now or never! MIC, MCA will not dare to go against their supreme master even if they are called ‘prostitute’. That’s why we need HINDRAF. I am just waiting one for Chinese community maybe BRAF and ‘orang asli’, OARAF. We need to stand together not against Malays or peaceful religion 'Islam' but against discrimination and racist created by BN supreme. In fact today’s illegal demonstration provoked by them.


While writing this I watched national celebration of Singapore live. Amazing, really admirable and the unity shown among the different races is excellent. Their performance with Tamil song, Malay song, Chinese, an English song and equally mixed cultural show really impressive.


Whish to see such thing in Malaysia too!



"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful,
committed people can change the world.
Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
Margaret Mead


Jai Makkal Sakthi.



8 comments:

PUNITHAN SHAN said...

PRESS STATEMENT
NATIONAL MIC YOUTH COORDINATOR
T.MOHAN

THE MIC YOUTH STRONGLY CONDEMNS THE TACTICS OF IRRESPONSIBLE GROUPS IN DISRUPTING THE BAR COUNCIL FORUM ON CONVERSION TO ISLAM IN KUALA LUMPUR TODAY.
THEIR ACTIONS IS A STEP BACKWARD TOWARDS THE UNITY AND RELIGIOUS HARMONY AMONGST THE VARIOUS RACES IN MALAYSIA ENVISIONED UNDER VISION 2020.
WE ARE DISAPPOINTED WITH THE GROUPS FOR FAILING TO ALLOW THE DISCUSSION OF THE ISSUES OF INTER-FAITH IN A MATURE AND RESPONSIBLE MANNER.
THE BAR COUNCIL HAS REITERATED THAT THE FORUM ON RELIGIOUS CONVERSION WAS NOT TO QUESTION THE PROVISIONS OF ARTICLE 121 (A)
OF THE CONSTITUTION BUT TO ADDRESS THE CONFLICTS OF LAWS FACING FAMILIES CAUGHT BETWEEN THE SEPARATE JURISDICTIONS OF CIVIL AND SYARIAH LAWS.
THE MIC YOUTH REALISE THE NECESSITY OF THE ABOVE FORUM AS IT WILL CLARIFY CONFUSION OF THE CONCERNED GROUP AND WILL BE A BASE FOR GUIDELINE FOR THOSE WHO ARE LOOKING TO CONVERT TO THEIR ORIGINAL RELIGION DUE TO THEIR PERSONAL JUDGEMENT.
WE BELIEVE OPEN DISCUSSIONS AND DIALOGUES ON THE PROBLEMS ARISING OUT OF THE SYARIAH AND CIVIL COURTS SEPARATE JURISDICTIONS AND OTHER ISSUES TO RELIGIOUS CONVERSIONS ARE IMPERATIVE TO FIND SOLUTIONS.
THERE ARE SO MANY CASES WHERE INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES WERE AFFECTED BECAUSE OF THE CONVERSION IN AND OUT OF ISLAM. MANY WHO HAD CONVERTED WERE ALSO IN A DILEMMA AS THEY WERE UNABLE TO REVERT TO THEIR FORMER RELIGION.
WE STRONGLY BELIEVE THESE GROUPS SHOULD HAVE USED THE FORUM TO COME AND GIVE THEIR VIEWS INSTEAD OF ACTING HIGH-HANDEDLY AND FORCING THE CANCELLATION OF THE FORUM.
WE ARE DISAPPOINTED THAT THE POLICE HAD ALSO FAILED TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST THESE GROUPS FOR STAGING DEMONSTRATIONS AND HAD INSTEAD ASKED BAR COUNCIL TO CANCEL THE FORUM.
THE MIC YOUTH IS ALSO CONCERNED WITH THE STATEMENTS MADE BY CERTAIN LEADERS WHO HAD STRONGLY OPPOSED THE FORUM AS IT HAS CAUSED RESENTMENT AMONGST THE NON MUSLIMS
THEY SEEM TO HAVE IGNORED THE FACT THAT THE BAR COUNCIL HAS ALREADY CLARIFIED THAT THE FORUM WAS TO ADDRESS THE CONFLICTS OF LAW.
THEY SHOULD HAVE COME OUT WITH THEIR PROPOSALS IN ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OF NON-MUSLIM HUSBANDS WHO ABANDON THEIR SPOUSES AND THEIR FAMILIES AND CONVERT INTO ISLAM RATHER THAN TO STOP A LEGITIMATE FORUM.
THE MIC YOUTH ALSO CALL ON HINDRAF TO PUBLICLY STATE THEIR STAND AS THE GROUP WHO OPPOSED THE FORUM WAS LED BY A PARTI KEADILAI RAKYAT MP. IS THIS WHAT HINDRAF GETS FOR SUPPORTING PKR IN THE GENERAL ELECTION?

Vj said...

If the press statements given before the forum, it might have helped some good things to happen.


About the PKR MP. Yess you are right brother. He over reacted and I strongly condemm his involment. This is minus point for DSAI's election caimpaign.


But i still stand with my statement. This protest provoked by BN's supreme. As usual they fuel up race and religion sentiment to pull Malays together.


As per discussion with many indians who supported PKR in last election, I found that they wanted BN to come out with better policy for all race in Malaysia. It seems like they still dont see or pretending like not seeing problems faces by Indians.


Until now HINDRAF requesting more to BN-UMNO to look into indians problem and needs rather than PKR.


We are ready to support whoever helps indians more. ;)

Satish said...

hi , i feel that its d malays who don't have the freedom of religion..

as for the non-muslims , only those who convert to Islam don't have the choice to leave the religion because the religion itself considers apostasy as a big sin...

besides , if they allow a few to leave , i'm sure many more will b lining up at the syariah courts...& dats sumthing dat the government n religious groups do not want.

just my two cents .

vasantarao appalasamy said...

SO WHAT PUNITHAN SHAN?????
THERE ARE NO CHANCE FOR MIC ANYMORE!!
GET LOST!

Satish said...

i still don't understand why MIC & MCA are with UMNO &BN...don't they have the brains or guts to leave ?

Vj said...

Satish u got ur point, betul jugak its malay who dont have freedom compare to us.

PUNITHAN SHAN said...

well agreed vj,

BN need to reform to answer the need of all races.

The pressure from BN component parties are strong on UMNO.
Like you, i am hoping for that.

But choose PR over BN hoping that some day PR will do something? i dont think so bro.

I choose to stay at a old house in a save land compare to a new condo at a hilly place.

P/s: while talking about others throwing words at us, lets just take a look in this comments. How a fellow Indian brother responds? :)

1st one should know how to respect a fellow malaysian. Above political o race sentiments. Thats the real malaysians malaysia for me.

Vj said...

The reform is to slow or almost not happening brother and the BN's opponent getting stronger and stronger.

Bn can just turn everything favoring them by doing right thing right.

But too bad and really unfortunate that the UMNO's leaders so stubborn and still want to maintain the old way of doing things. Pressure from within not enough.

Well PKR is fragile coalition. One mistake they do, they are gone. So I feel safe supporting them at the moment and this will keep pressure on BN-UMNO to reform. MIC and MCA must play more active role in this.

About the comments bad remarks and so on... hmmm can't help it. It's a plague in our Malaysian community. All of us need some soul searching. Only right spiritual knowledge with right understanding can change this.